I was recently reading a web article on this year’s top sports turkeys. I was not surprised to find Terrell Owens received the top spot. The article sparked much conversation between Monkey and myself. It was at that time that I remembered back to Monkey’s Seattle P.I. blogging days when he boldly made the prediction that within two years T.O. would destroy the Eagles. Unfortunately, for the Eagle’s my sweet sexy monkey’s prediction has come true. (I knew it would…He is THE monkey) Most of the contributors to the P.I. site at that time were in no hurry to agree to completely agree with Monkey’s prophecy and many thought Owens would benefit the team. I have to say living with the genius of Monkey is a blessing. *sighs dreamily and looks at her sleeping monkey*
So why am I talking about this? Because recently I have been hearing Seahawks fans call in to sports radio shows and say that Owens would be a great addition to the Seahawks if he is released after his 4-game suspension. I have to say it blows my mind that fans who have witnessed his effects on the 49er’s and Eagles would want him on their team.
I will say that his sheer athletic ability and performance on the field would be a great addition to the Hawks. We don’t have a true number one receiver and T.O. would definitely upgrade our already fantastic offense. If Owen didn’t come with his attitude, I think I would cry or pee my pants to see Hasselbeck, D. Jack, Shaun Alexander and Terrell Owens out on the field…on the same team. We would be phenomenal. I think it would push us over the top but at what cost? Could anyone who was a true Seahawks fan cheer for this spoiled brat?
I guess my question to you is, if T.O. were to come to Seattle and the Seahawks won it all this year, would the victory be tainted for the true fans?
Wow, nice post.
ReplyDeleteNow I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Monster writes monkey's rants! ;)
My answer to your question is yes. It is important for me to respect the players and team I am rooting for.
But I'm not worried in the least - there is no way Ruskell is going to sell out for this guy. He's been building on character guys since he got here, and it's paying off right away. Why would he want to crap it all out like that?
Most sports fans are incredible rubes who don't know much more than what ESPN tells them, which is why there are idiots calling in radio stations speculating how #81 (still refuse to use his name, and am not to happy to have to look at his mug on our blog) would *improve* their team.
ReplyDeleteIt's like the gorgeous woman who is a cheap slut (not that there's anything wrong with that!). Every guy thinks they're gonna be the one to make her settle down, yet they're heartbroken when she winds up in bed with their friend, his friend, a midget and a parakeet.
#81 is a cancer, plain and simple. The Ravens should be happy they're sucking on their own, as #81 would have dragged them into the gutter if that deal went through.
All the troubles on the Eagles can't be pinned on #81, but he tended to fan the flames rather than provide any firefighting services.
He's an selfish, egotistical, malcontent who is getting terrible advice from is annoying, whining pip-squeak of an agent.
#81's fall from grace is very similar to Mike Tyson's, and just shows the damage that can be caused when an ignorant player hooks up with a shyster attorney.
So please, let's do EVERYTHING in our power to keep #81 out of the Emerald City, and encourage him to seek shelter elsewhere, like say the Cowboys, Rams or Broncos!
Couldn't wish it on more deserving franchises!
Posted by alba
For some reason I am aroused... is it reading a fine Seahawks post written by a woman... or alba's description of the cheap slut "in bed with their friend, his friend, a midget and a parakeet. " I'm not sure. One thing I do know, I love sluts, and sluts love me!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, to answer the question, would the victory be tainted? No. Why? TO is not evil, he does not intentionally destroys football teams or personal relationships. He is a great football player, a victim of his own success, his own personal issues (I'd say he desires attention more than most... like alba!), and the media taking advantage of him. I think that he has and will continue to learn that for him, the media is not his friend. The man can and will change. And the management that does decide to take him will ensure contractually that he does change.
I think the things he has said that the media quoted have been overblown or taken out of context, and had he said them in the locker room, or directly to the person he was addressing without it getting reported these issues would have been resolved that.
For instance, TO said that McNabb got tired in the SB. I don't know what McNabbs problem was, but TO was right, McNabb sucked. The problem here is why do I know what TO said? Because the media asked him multiple times what he thought, and eventually he caved, like they knew he would. Had he said "No comment" probably nothing (other than his contract issues, which went away once the season started) would have happened, TO would still be an Eagle. The remedy for this is simple, put it in the contract that TO will be released without pay and will surrender a percentage of his bonus if he performs acts detrimental to the team, including public or verified private statements that are quoted in any media that are negative.
That said, Blue is right, Ruskell will never ever allow TO to sign in Seattle. And I don't care really one way or the other, if they were to sign, I'd root for him, if they don't... good luck TO, keep your mouth shut!
Posted by JoSCh
Here's a thought.
ReplyDeleteWe already had a receiver with talent equal to the seriousness of the demons that he also possessed. We cut 'im before the current season. Why should we follow that move by adding a guy who (arguably) has more talent and more demons? No way in h-e-double-hockey-sticks!
Actually, the Rams are disfunctional enough...no need for them to add GOOD receiver (not GREAT...if he played for Seattle, the media wouldn't hype him to death)
ReplyDeleteAlba said it best, most casual fans don't get the full stories on things in sports, instead listening to ESPN and other biased media thingys
My answer is yes, it would be tainted...just as it would be tainted if Holmgren was fired and replace by Mike Martz...leading us to our first super bowl...both are types of enemies this team has had to deal with. Seattle never really got a ton of respect, but the sharpie incident made the franchise a laughing stock for years...Martz is a mentally challenged rival...two different types of enemies...and you don't side with the enemy.
Thanks to TO, this team has been remembered not for the Largents, Kreigs, or Zorns...not for its domination in the early to mid 80s...but for a stupid sharpie by a stupid jerkoff
Oh, and no need to cream your pants over a girl...I couldn't imagine any of you trying to talk to mine lol...Alba has seen one of my ex's before...so he can vy for me
One point of clarification, ADP, I'd VIE for her, but I'll VOUCH for you!
ReplyDeletePosted by alba
If it happened (and the chances are so slim as to hardly be worth noting) as described, that the hawks won it all with T.O. I am kinda torn how I would feel.
ReplyDeleteOn one hand, wouldn't it be AWESOME to finally win one?
On the other hand, for me anyway, it would always feel like the Seahawks had to make a deal with the devil to do it, rather than getting it done on their own merits, with the guys they brought to the dance.
I could NEVER cheer for T.O. I don't care what uniform he is in. SO everytime he caught a pass from Hass I'd be dissapointed personally.
The thing that bothers me the most, is that while it is unlikely that Ruskell would stoop so low as to pick up this disease, some VERY good team probably will. Imagine the Cowboys or the Falcons with T.O. My point is I think it is unfair that some team we will benefit from this disease, possibly putting them over the top in the NFC.
Wouldn't it just piss me off to see in the NFC championship game T.O. catch the winning T.D. against the Seahawks? Oh ya it could happen if we aren't the team who gets him. It almost makes me wish the Hawks would get him just to keep him aaway from a team like say the Cowboys or the Panthers or whoever in the NFC.
Still if we won with him I would foreveer look back at the Superbowl and remember that we did it by making a deal with the devil. It would forever taint the Superbowl victory for me.
geez, what a surprise, monkey agrees with monster.
ReplyDelete(I hear the winter can get very cold for those who don't!)
Posted by alba
Don't really need to worry about it cause it ain't gonna happen. But if it did, it would lessen the win for me, lessen my support of the team.
ReplyDeleteI think the "What happens to TO now" game should be re-framed to the "Just how desparate is your team" contest. Look around the league and ask yourself, "What team/coach knows their season is a fraud." That's who'll drink the cancer cocktail.
In the end this is all about TO and his agent getting another guarenteed pay day. Remember, the Philly contract was signed by his last agent--who he then fired. RozenCrackHead hasn't made a dime off this guy. Hmmmm...who could be pulling the strings.
Posted by bokonon
Interesting...check this out
ReplyDeleteOwens' suspension should be reduced to 1-2 games, in which the Eagles could deactivate him for the rest of the year...from rotoworld:
Terrell Owens' suspension is expected to be reduced to 1-2 games, which would reinstate him immediatley.
This story isn't through yet. Owens would be permitted to return to the team and work out at the team's facility. The Eagles reportedly still plan to de-activate him the rest of the year. If Owens chooses to start showing up in Philadelphia, the team would probably release him and he'd be subject to the league's waiver system. The team with the worst records would have the first chance to claim him, although they'd have to absorb his $3.75 million salary. The ball will be in T.O.'s court again. ESPN's Sal Palantonio believes Owens will most likely be released.
Posted by adp
Thanks Monster, now it's *ME* who is worked up!!! If you were a big-breasted rube with RING CARDS rather than flash cards, I could use a JPG of you for my knockout pool posts!!!
ReplyDeleteIsn't it ironic how #81 has cornered himself into the very situation he was kicking and screaming to get out of?
He wanted a long term deal with huge signing bonus from the Eagles. With all his jockying, ranting and raving about not getting it, he's put himself into a position where just to WORK again in this league, he's going to have to accept a meager contract offer that's heavily incentive and conduct laden, and will be in exactly this same spot midway through the season with his new team.
This is why I think most teams will take a pass on him (no pun intended). He *is* talented, and so upon reaching some good numbers midway through next season, he and his trained chimp Rosen-stein-burg-whatever will start whining about deserving a long term deal with a major signing bonus. (sound familiar?) And the whole circus will start again.
And before we start worrying too much about the constitution, the first ammendment 1) protects freedoms for speaking out against the government, not your QB, 2) there are limits to free speach in the work place, movie theaters and polite society, 3) this had to be about WAY MORE than what ESPN has spoon fed us (or caused) for an organization to part with the most talented receiver in the league and eat millions of dollars.
And think about his history with QBs. Jeff Garcia notwithstanding, if he can pull this shyte with Donovan McNabb, a 5-time pro bowler and beloved Philly icon, that what's he going to do to the likes of Jake Plummer, Chad Pennington or Kerry Collins?
Posted by alba
UPDATE
ReplyDelete-- An arbitrator has upheld the Philadelphia Eagles' four-game suspension of Terrell Owens, and the team has the right to deactivate him.
He has ZERO chance of playing this year
Posted by adp
I don't want Seattle to make this move, and I hope no team in the NFL makes this move. T.O. deserves to ride pine for the rest of the season, if not more.
ReplyDeleteBut, if you allow your mind to drift into Narnia who would stop us offensively?
You have S.A. running the ball which no one has proven they can stop, and then two deep threats (T.O. and D.J. Hackett. I like D.J. This post is coming up soon). Combine this with Jeremy Stevens in the flat and Bobby Engram running the crossing route...thats called being potent.
But then you come back through the wardrobe and say that he's a clubhouse cancer (but then again, wouldn't it be just like him to play nice for the last few games of the season and then through the Super Bowl?)
All and all, its a tempting move (especially considering the eagles would probably pay for most of his salary) but in the end, I'd rather lose in the playoffs with the players we have then win it all with T.O. or anyone else wearing the Blue and Green.
Alan - you got your wish!
ReplyDeleteOwens loses arbitration hearing
Posted by alba
Well allow me to retort, Ms. Monster. By the way, bravo, your reply was coherent and well thought out, not like the slack jaws that hang out here usually... btw, how's it feel to be in the virtual mens locker room? Disgusting isn't it.
ReplyDelete"a mature professional adult should have the constitution to withstand the pressure. " I think you might be giving him too much credit. He is neither mature nor professional, and I think these are issues he'd have to address with a shrink. He is great at catching and running with a football. I wouldn't have him endorse my product, but I would have him catching a football, and keeping his mouth shut, via the formely mentioned contract stipulations, and hopefully his own common sense, were he to obtain any. alba covered the constitution, and I concur.
"if I spoke publicly in such a manner about my co-workers or company I would except to lose my job" Why are these guys expected to be good speakers/ambassadors. This particular thing deserves its own topic (in the offseason) and I am sure that many would disagree (CitK), but I don't see ALL atheletes as role models. The league and the teams should regulate who has access to the media, put their best face out there, and keep the ego's/boneheads/illiterates out of the public eye and allow them to concentrate on being football (or whatever sport) players.
"the sharpie incident made the franchise a laughing stock for years" ADP, you think it was the sharpie incident? Really? Cuz this team wasn't remembered for anything prior to the sharpie thing, and I would say that we're more known for dropping passes than the sharpie thing, that or no playoff victories in 20 years.
"We already had a receiver with talent equal to the seriousness of the demons that he also possessed" I would say that K-Rob's talent is less than TO's, and TO's demons (I wouldn't even call them that) are far less. That said, it wouldn't be easy to keep TO from being a a-hole without vicious contractual controls, I'd concede that.
I fully agree with monkey para 2 and 3, other than the unfair part. I guess it is sorta like getting in a trade after the trade deadline... but not much you can do about it, if the rules allow, its fair.
"he's going to have to accept a meager contract offer that's heavily incentive and conduct laden" And he'll get the incentives...
"upon reaching some good numbers midway through next season, he and his trained chimp Rosen-stein-burg-whatever will start whining about deserving a long term deal with a major signing bonus." And he'd be right, if/when he signs with another team, it will be a short contract. I would assume (not 100% sure) that a player picked him off waivers is only under that years contract. Also, the team that picked him would immediately start contract negotiations for next year, and that one would probably be short term, and heavily incentive and conduct laden. As will all his contracts from now on.
All I'm saying is he is a talent worth the trouble, if a team takes the time to ensure he cannot cause trouble, and they have a fast and easy way out if he does. And again, not an issue, never happen, Holmgren won't allow, nor will Ruskell. And I agree with Monster, put him in the AFC, ideally on a team that isn't in the playoffs.
Posted by JoSCh
Way to skim, Alan and Alba...look right above Alan's post...I beat you to the report
ReplyDeleteJosch, thanks for responding to my laughing stock point, as you pretty much said why my point is a valid point...we weren't remember for anything up until the sharpie incident, in which case turned our franchise from as 'do they exist' to a 'sharpie team!'...the dropped passes and playoff drought got bigger as our team started contending and falling short...
Posted by adp
Hi. My name is Alba and I'm a skim-a-holic!
ReplyDeletePosted by alba
i said it before and i'll say it again. I like T.O, i think he's funny as long as he is not a Seahawk. I could care less if he rips apart the Eagles organization, if Ruskell does sign TO i might have to kill the man for signing the seahawks organization to the devil. He's a great player but he cant shut up.
ReplyDeleteLike this guy on NFL network said T.O's theory is "get rich or die trying to destroy a hall of fame career."
And that's what he's doing tight now. No one is going to sign him to a long term, but i think he might change a little since he realizes that football can be taken away from him.
Posted by o-meezy
I never said anything about being a role model! He a PROFESSIONAL althete. I don't think it is a surprise to T.O that the media is gonna rip him apart or just about anyone they can given the chance. He didn't live in a bubble before going to the NFL. He's been around long enough he should've learned by now to shut his hole instead of losing his cool. End the interview, no comment or just not speak publicly at all, there are other options. I think the problem is is that he needs the attention. This time it backfired...severely. He lost big time when the arbitrator upheld the decision. I was listening to Sports Bash tonight and the commentator John Siebel-something-or-other and he said the Seahawks should jump all over T.O. if he makes it through the waiver wire. I will be saying my prayers tonight that all the comments about Ruskell not stooping that low for a better shot at the SB are right.
ReplyDeleteOh and by the way, thanks for the civics lesson. I am aware of the difference between public and private employers and what your rights are and the ones you give up when become an employee. I held elected union positions and work for a labor union. If you need further clarification just let me know. *smile*
Posted by Monster: Monkey's Kick Ass Wife
wow...
ReplyDelete...glad im no longer in this conversation!
Posted by adp
LMAO!!! JoSCH, you should try living with her!
ReplyDeleteFunny you guys brought up the whole role model thing.
It has long been my contention that to say that these guys aren't role models is simply disingenuous.
Firstly, the league has gone out of it's way to market these athletes, as just that. In fact, in the entire history of sports in America, teams whether in baseball basketball football etc... have gone out of their way to cast their athletes as role models.
Way back in the day, the media used to actually cover for the stars misbehavior, because teams didn't want the images of their athletes tarnished, because they WANTED their athletes to be thought of as role models. Why? Because it sells.
Teams mmarket their athletes, not the game itself. They sell jerseys with special players numbers on it. During the commercials on T.V. for the NFL they say , watch Michael Vick and the Atlanta Falcons, take on Brian Urlacher and the Chicago Bears.
They Don't say watch the strategy unfold as coach Holmgren matches wits with coach Parcells. They don't even say watch the breathtaking catches and bone jarring tackles. They aren't selling the game itself, and they certainly aren't selling the X's and O's of the game, they are selling their HEROS. They are selling their media creations, their ROLE MODELS.
Think about it, as a kid, who did you pretend to be when you went out to recess? Did you pretend to be your teacher, or your dad, or the president, or some other person that we say today SHOULD be kids role models? NOPE, you pretended to be Steve Largent or Jim Zorn or Kenny Easley, (well I did anyway).
Perhaps in a perfect society we would all have our pastor or priests or our teachers or parents or even some brainy N.A.S.A. engineer as role models, but that isn't the way things really are. Perhaps it should be that way...but it isn't. The truth is, whether these athletes WANT to be role models or not is a moot point, they are because they are marketed to be, and they are because kids and adults alike want them to be and make them into role models.
Althletes don't have the choice of whether or not to be role models, they are like it or not, what they DO have a choice in, is whether they are good or bad role models.
As long as kids emulate them and buy their jerseys and day dream about being them or being like them, they are role models, but whether they are good or bad ones, is up to them.
I have always found it laughable when people say that just because so and so made some bad choices, it doesn't make him a bad person! That's truly hysterical, it's like saying that just because so and so joined the Army and wears an Army uniform, doesn't mean he is a soldier.
What makes a person good or bad IS HIS OR HER DECISIONS! The truest definition of a bad person, is one who while knowing right from wrong, CHOOSES to do wrong.
In the case of T.O. one can say that what he did isn't evil, true I suppose, but it WAS wrong, and he KNEW IT. EVERYONE knows that it is unsportsmenlike to talk badly about your teammates, no matter what the truth is. Everyone knows that throwing a teammate under the bus the way T.O. did to Jeff Garcia and then Donovan McNabb is outside the code of sportsmanship, if not flat out a$$holish.
So PLEASE don't tell me that just because T.O. did a bunch of stupid things he's not a bad guy, YES HE IS, that exactly what bad guys are. Bad guys are ones who do stupid things and make bad decisions, knowing full well the difference between good and bad. T.O. knew what he was doing, but he is SELFISH and didn't care. He felt slighted so he wanted to hurt his teammate. And remeber, this isn't the first time, he has a LONG history of doing these types of things, because he is selfish. Yes selfish people are BAD PEOPLE. That's exactly what bad people are.
The best definition of evil is self-centeredness, or do what thou wilt. Evil people don't think of themselves as evil usually, they just do what makes THEM feel good at the time with little or no thought for the concerns of others. They do what they want because they want to, and to hell with the consequences. That is T.O. to a tee.
Sorry this is so long, but I really dislike the idea that athletes aren't role models, that's pure B.S. they are, and furthermore, they don't even have a choice in the matter.
If a person doesn't want to be a role model then they should NOT become a professional athlete. But once thye are profesional athletes, and by default then, role models, it is up to them to decide what KIND of role models they will be. Trent Dilfer is a good role model, T.O. is a BAD role model. Because T.O. is a selfish person, and selfish people are intrinsically BAD PEOPLE.
You don't have to like it or even agree, but that's just the way things are, that just the truth.
Damn that was so good I think I have to post it.
ReplyDeleteyup...when i was younger, back in the day, me and my friend would get some games going, and I would pretend I was the 1995 Seattle Mariners team (their whole lineup)...while he was the San Francisco Giants of that year...we got one free player to add...I always picked Tony Gwynn, or Don Mattingly, and he always had Mike Piazza...good times
ReplyDeleteso speaking from a younger guy's point of view...yeh, they are role models...just think about it, in a couple years...ADP may be one of those role models! Dont worry...I wont be a jerk...but I definitely will be one of the 'cool characters' in the league...if there are any.
Posted by adp
First, monkey, I specifically asked that the *role model* discussion wait til the offseason... why? WHY? I am not going to listen or reply... fingers in ears, yelling lalalalala . And here on the internet, I fear nothing, monsters included. Big man, huh? LOL.
ReplyDeleteadp, I still disagree, I don't think we were the sharpie team longer than that season... maybe a flashback again during games we played against TO or SF, but I don't think that is what we were known for. Not that important, I just don't think without the sharpie incident that we would have been known for the Largents, Kreigs, or Zorns... domination in the early to mid 80s.
Ms. Monster, I agree, you never said *role model*, I assumed that you implied it, and you didn't. I assumed that you saying that he was a mature professional adult could be implied as he was expected to be good speakers/ambassador. I believe I was correct in that. Then I mistakenly coorellated ambassador to role model. Now your response past the first sentance... not coherent or well thought out, IMO, you didn't reply to my last, in fact you basically said what I already said.
You said "He a PROFESSIONAL althete." I still challenge why that means he is a good speaker/ambassador.
You said "I don't think it is a surprise to T.O that the media is gonna rip him apart or just about anyone they can given the chance." I say he has issues, he needs a shrink.
You say "He didn't live in a bubble before going to the NFL." Actually he kind of did. His grandmother raised him and according to shows I've seen on him, he was very introverted as a child, wasn't allowed to play outside after dinner, had to be in bed by 7pm, he had kind of a weird upbringing, he said it affected him, and probably still affects him.
You said "He's been around long enough he should've learned by now to shut his hole instead of losing his cool. End the interview, no comment or just not speak publicly at all, there are other options. I think the problem is is that he needs the attention." I say he needs a shrink... and a team supplied PR person that is strong and smart enough to whisk him away as soon as a reporter gets within 15 feet!
Re the *civics lesson*, you invoked the constitutional free speech rights, not me or alba. You said that you know the difference. Your original statement was wrong. Just saying.
I'm not a TO fan, or a TO appologist, I just don't think he's evil, I think he can be controlled, and I think he is the most talented WCO WR in all the land. And I'm not trying to be contentious or difficult, I just expected a better response from you, and enjoy a good internet debate, where I can't be physically intimidated by a woman... whimper.
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