I was reading today on ESPN's rumor central that the Seahawks are now a dark horse trading partner for the Bills Travis Henry. I found this to be interesting because I am not sure I understand the logic. Dont get me wrong ...I have said since the draft that they should trade SA and get Henry...but the timing is strange and the message about Shaun's future with the Hawks remains very cloudy to me. Hopefully some of you can answer some questions for me:
1) If the team knows for a fact that they dont want to move forward with Shaun as there running back, why do they keep waiting for him to come in and sign his tender?
2) On that same not, why not remove the franchise tag from Shaun and make the trade for Henry? and what is it about Shaun that No team is willing to part with a second round pick?
3) If Shaun is not the type of RB for the west coast offense...why are we talking about a long term deal? would it be only to get him to sign it and then trade him?
4) How much of a distraction will this become if Shaun does hold out and we have not made a trade for some one Travis?
I think that Shaun is a pretty good running back ...but the lack of interest in him has led me to wonder if their is a reason...Its not often that someone who put ups the numbers like him comes out on the trading block ...what gives?
But I believe that if the Seahawks dont want Shaun...they need to make a move now and not let it become a distraction.
GOX, as I understand it, we cannot remove the label without losing it for quite a while, (correct me if I am wrong). I also know that the Hawks cannot even negotiate until 1. he signs his tender or 2. the July date (whatever it is) rolls around, otherwise we would be in violation of league rules.
ReplyDeleteAs for Travis Henry, isn't he exactly the kind of person Ruskell is so determined to avoid? I mean, people are up in arms with SA doing exactly what Walter Jones did the last two season, and over one comment made in the heat of the moment; but Henry has a long and well established record of not being a team player, heck, the reason he is available for trade is because he has refused to be a team player for the Bills. Does anyone think this is really the kind of player we need? Even if we accept the premise that SA is not a team player (which I do NOT accept!!) Henry is far less a team player. Not to mention the fact that Henry has a very difficult time holding onto the football, he is extremely fumble prone.
Nothing about Henry suggests to me that he would be the answer here, in fact, if we did get rid of SA, I would rather go with the guys we already have here, Morris and Carter and see what they can do.
the only way we would pursue the trade is to free up cap...but that can be done by giving him a long term deal...too...
ReplyDeleteI think his comments were blown way out of proportion...id be yelling like no tomorrow if i found out i was 1 yard short of the rushing title...its got be a frustrating thing...
to answer one of your questions, Gox...noone wants him because they dont want to give him the money he wants or deserves...that coupled with the fact that he isnt real young...everyone thinks they could do better in the draft...and with the draft being over, the teams without a RB just dont want to pay him
ive said this before...its going to be sad a few years from now, when there wont be any RB in the league with a shot at the hall of fame, because by the time they are 29, nobody will want them, and instead draft another 'fresh' RB...
Posted by ADP
I don't think the tag can be removed until that July date (I keep forgetting which date that is) which is the same time that the Hawks can talk to SA about a long term deal, until then they cannot remove it or they lose it for the length of SA's contract. At least tat's how I understood it.
ReplyDeleteHenry has a bad fumbling problem, much worse than SA!
The reason we don't ship him off is because we don't know if the system he don't fit will be in place after next season.Remember the driving force of our offences last years was Alexander.Our passing offence was a west coast style but not "the west coast offence", Monkey brought up a great point about nobody said anything about Jones when he didn't show up to camp.Anymore I just expect it.
ReplyDeletePosted by SHONUFF
thats one thing i would like to make my opinion on...
ReplyDeleteSA is getting heat for the same thing Jones got away with...that said...im also going to defend Darrell Jackson...i dont care whats behind his holdout, hes not asking for more money, and why would he? He knows we dont have enough cap right now to give him a raise...he'd be holding out for nothing
that said...DJack has been one of the most productive WRs we have ever had...hes been consistent and improving...and to say he isnt a team player is just stupid...if he comes in and is productive again, thats all i ask...be productive and dont be an ass...he hasnt been an ass, so i wish people would leave him alone
Posted by ADP
I said it on the KFFL post, I think Henry is a Ruskell guy, and I equate his current disgruntledness to Corey Dillon’s problems in Cincy, Henry isn't mad about money, he just wants to play. He lost his job over and injury, not inferior play. He is fumble prone, much more than Shaun. Although Shaun seems to do them at the most inopportune time.
ReplyDeleteThe franchise tag can be removed at any time, at which point Shaun would be an unrestricted FA, and could sign anywhere he wants with no compensation to the Seahawks. The way the tag is lost is if they sign a contract or even negotiate with Shaun from now until July 15th, the tag would be lost for the duration of the contract. Even if he signs the tender they cannot negotiate until July 15, the signing of the tender would only put him under contract, which would require him to show up for mandatory camps.
I'll say this about Shaun’s long term contract vs. his age, he isn't a tough runner, he goes out of bounds instead of taking a hit for the extra yard, I bet he can be effective longer than the average back because of it. Basically his sissy running style will extend his career! I'd like him to sign a 5 year similar to the Rudi Johnson contract, maybe 15mil bonus and about 3 mil a year.
Comparing him to Jones isn't exactly right, Jones was and still is the best LT in all the land, very few would dispute that. Even with the holdout he dominated. Shaun won't, because of the positions they play respectively, and the fact that Shaun is a special talent but he's not the same level as Jones comparatively. He'll need to be in the fold by the preseason or he will fail. And as far as the holdout currently, Shaun doesn't have much choice from a business perspective, his only leverage is his attendance and the cap. As long as he is in for some of camp I think he'll be fine, and won't be out of line.
ADP, re Jackson and "he’s not asking for more money", actually I believe he is, sorry, don't currently have a link. I don't think he is asking for more money on the contract, so I would guess he is asking for guaranteed money in the form of a roster bonus that Whittsit promised, but apparently D-Jack didn't get it written into the contract.
Posted by Josh from SC
i still think it wouldnt make any sense for Djack to hold out for more money...but if there was some deal in place, then he had to of been screwed over by Whitsitt...because like i said before...there is no point in trying to get a new contract if we dont have enough to even think of one...so obviously, it wouldnt make sense for a new contract, but could make a little sense if Whitsitt did screw him like rumored...
ReplyDeleteeither way, i find it hard to believe he would be doing this unless he is serious about some 'deal'
hope that made sense...just woke up, and hyped up for an interview at a grocery store today! woohoo...wish me luck
Posted by ADP
I'm with Josh on this one(big surprise huh Monkey), I think that....
ReplyDelete1)Alexander's just not the right player for this offense, and with an improved WR Corp(better hands), he'll prove less vital(Sho), if the Passing game takes off this season(as I think it will)Alexander's justa high priced luxury.
2)As has been discussed elsewhere Shaun's hold out could result in an injury during the season, and if not could still wind up leading to miscues from not being in camp to practice new playes and work with different players in the offense(I firmly believe that Spencer could wind up in the mix, perhaps at RG moving Womack to RT), I just think that a proteacted holdout will deffinitely hurt him.
3)Travis Henry: Good hands in the open field, a better blocker and is willing to hit the line of scrimmage with athority. Just a beter fit. Especially behind a better O-line than he had in Buff.
Just a few points of views from the Kool-aid Section
Posted by vinnyhawkalugi
Travis Henry would be good to replace the drops from KRob with his drive-killing fumbles...
ReplyDeleteI dont think Henry is worth it...but i have a question...how has his health been? I know Willis Mcmonkey is the Bill who usually gets injured, but i really never thought about Henry's health...is there any concerns?
Posted by ADP
Not going to say too much on this, I think everyone pretty much knows where I stand on this subject. But I am going to say this, the Seahawks aren't "trying" to trade Shaun. They've given Shaun permission to seek a trade, there's a large difference. Shaun probably would like more media attention, and definitely wants a big contract, but that doesn't make him a "me first" player. He's made one comment. To compare him to T.O. or Moss is ludicrous. It's like comparing Holmgren to Flores, because neither won a playoff game in Seattle.
ReplyDeletePosted by PaulieP
By the way, Peter Kings superbowl prediction has Shaun getting a ring.
ReplyDeleteAs a midseason pickup for the Patriots.
I disagree. Ken Lucas wanted to be a Hawk, but we didn't pay him enough. Same with Chad Brown. Even Hass was ok looking elsewhere, until he heard we signed Jones long term. Don't ever be fooled into thinking that any one of these players is as in love with the Hawks as we are. They are there because it's their job. Of course they like the city, the team, the fans, but when it comes down to it, they go where one of three things is. 1. Money, 2. Chance for a ring, 3. Family comfort. It's wonderful when all three happen to coincide, like with Tobeck, but if they don't, then the player has to decide which is more important. And why wouldn't Shaun look elsewhere? That has nothing to do with trades. He feels he's worth a certain amount of money, and he wants to see if anyone else does. That's not terribly different than Travis Henry, who's seeking a trade because he feels he should be a starter. If Henry was a completely team first guy, he'd agree to spell Willis (which would be one heck of a one-two punch).
ReplyDeleteYou said that his whole career lends to him being a me first guy, can you give examples? As far as I've seen he hasn't done anything differently than any other star player. He wants the ball when it's crunch time. If you have other examples, I'd love to hear them.
Posted by PaulieP
Agreed Paulie, as usual.
ReplyDeleteI know these are football players we're talking about, and they may not be the brightest bulbs in the box (sorry ADP!) but how hard could it be for Henry to agree to spell Willis....
ReplyDeleteW - I - L - L - I - S
...see how hard was that?!
Posted by alba
PP, they did however try to trade him during the draft did they not? To me that's 'wanting' to trade him.
ReplyDeletePosted by vinnyhawkalugi
ADP, Henry has taken some lumps, but is not an "injury risk", other than the fact that he plays RB in the NFL. He is currently healthy. In a 2003 game vs Houston he got a broken leg in the second quarter, returned to the game and finished with 149 yards. Admittedly he had a 64 yard run prior to the injury, but still had a pretty good game. He finished out the season, with only 2 games carrying less than 20 times (19 week 15 and 15 week 17). The guy is all heart (but no hands? Fumblitis)
ReplyDeleteAnd agree with Paulie on the "me first" thing. Shaun is no different from any player. Come to think of it, I am a "me first" kind of guy. Or at least "wife and kid first, me second". The mini-van proves it!
What I don't completely agree with is "If Henry was a completely team first guy, he'd agree to spell Willis ", because Henry is a competitor, he believes he is better than McGahee, and therefore him starting over W-I-L-L-I-S is better for the team. Whether he is right or not is a different issue, but wanting to be the starter when you are (or have been) of starting caliber is not wrong. And he lost his job due to injury, not poor play, which is wrong, or at least not fair. JMHO.
Posted by Josh from SC
But that's what I'm saying. The team believes he isn't, so if he was completely behind the team, he would so what they think is best. I'm not saying it makes him a bad guy, in fact, I like his competitive streak. But no one in football is completely a team guy.
ReplyDeleteAlba, spelling, freaking hilarious.
Vin, did they want to trade him, or were they helping him in his wants, or were they showing him how little was out there? I'm not sure, but I suspect it was more to help him look, and have things work out for both sides. But again, I'm far from an insider so I'm not sure.
Posted by PaulieP
Here's the bottom line to me, is SA a btter RB than Henry? Yes, IMHO quite a bit better. Is Henry serviceable? Sure, but do we want to settle for serviceable when we already have something much better? That would be stupid if our goal is to get to a Super Bowl. So which RB gives us the better chance to reach a super bowl? No question, hands down, (and anyone who disagrees has not watched the two or completely ignores the stats or is othrewise biased against Alexander), it's Shaun Alexander, who is among the best RB's in the NFL, whereas Henry isn't even the best on the Bills, whose starter is not as good as SA. I just don't see how it can be any clearer than that. Henry isn't as good as McGahee, who isn't as good as Alexander, yet people would rather have Henry? Absurd! After all, I thought the idea was to field the best team possible, the team with the best chance of winning a super bowl.
ReplyDeletethank you Josh, for someone finally answering my question...id give you a dollar if i could, but yeh...im in debt 800 bucks at the current time
ReplyDeleteAlba - we're smarter then you think...i passed through the last 3 years of high school doing absolutely nothing...i spent most of my time hitting on the hot spanish teacher, sleeping, or paying someone to do my work (or use my puppy eyes)...if thats not brilliant, i dunno what is!...im only smart in subjects i care about
believe it or not, i believe my GPA was below 2...but when you get 2 torn acls back to back and have to go through all of the crap for that (mris, surgery, specialists)...its a lot of makeup work...it piled up to the point where i did English work in a secondary class (sacrificing the less important class for the more important)...so my grades suck
Posted by ADP